Ready for the Road: How to build employee confidence 

00:03

Coby Price: Good morning. Good afternoon and good evening from wherever in the world you're joining us. My name is Coby Price, and I'm the Vice President for Global customer management in Asia Pacific for CWT. We're thrilled to have you join us today for our 'Ready for the road, building employee confidence' session. We'll be discussing the return to travel from a traveler's perspective. What are they looking for from their organization and their preferred suppliers, when they get back on the road or in the air? Well, we know that there are some travelers out there who cannot wait to start traveling again. There may be others who feel that while your travel restrictions may have lifted, they may be looking for a little bit more information before they're ready to grab their passports and go. Today's session is not about pricing or negotiations. It's all about your most important asset, your traveling employees. So with that, please allow me to thank in advance for their time and introduce you to our panelists and moderator for today's session. From Novartis we have Benji Concepcion, Global Head of travel operations, from Accor, Kerry Healey, Vice President of Sales Asia Pacific, from Singapore Airlines, Angeline Khoo, Vice President Customer Experience, from CWT, Peter Brady, Vice President Global Services, Solutions and Innovation from our Energy, Resources and Marine team. And our moderator from Sony Pictures & Networks India, Chief Human Resources Officer Manu Wadhwa.

01:36

Manu Wadhwa: Thank you so much Coby, for the introduction to the session. It's a pleasure to be a part of this gathering, which has eminent speakers and panelists from all across Asia Pacific. As we talk about really looking at the traveler behavior in our region across the globe, I'm hoping that together we be able to share insights and inspire each one of you who are listening into us to incorporate perspectives in your operating model, which makes it easier for business and for personal pleasure to be taken into due course of time. But before I open up to the lovely set of panelists, let me first share a story of what's happening in the industry that I represent. And what's really been the big game changing perspective that we have seen in media and entertainment. Pre COVID, this industry only knew how to do business in person. Even for a one hour meeting, you would literally have flights being taken from point A to point B. And meetings happen because in person connect was the biggest driver of doing the entertainment. As you can imagine, our production facility was the whole world whether it is a tree in your backyard to a lovely ensemble of Mattel property to sites across the world that is our production facility. So travel is by design something which is core to our operating model. Five months later, from March till now, the world is almost taken a spin for all of us. And I'm sure a panelist will share a perspective of their industry. In media and entertainment, we literally had a knee jerk reaction because we did not know how to do business, except in person conversations, except traveling extensively. And I say that necessity is the mother of invention. There is a lot of invention that has taken place, innovation that has taken place in the industry. Want to give an example of many of you watch, Who Wants to Be a Millionaire in your local languages across the globe. This is one show which is one of the most coveted across the globe and in India too and to do the auditions every year of almost close to 3 million people, the troops will travel throughout the country in 50/60 odd cities and shortlist participants who will join in on the show. This year, as they say, as I stated necessity, the business has to go on. That entire audition process has actually completely shifted to digital online presence. And first time ever, we actually had a tree explode of applicants, all of whom were auditioned through virtual technology. Some may say that, wow, this is something which is game changing. But at the same time, for a traveler, this literally is a shift from what they were used to in terms of putting their backpacks and our business professionals going across the cities. So this perspective shift on innovation now becoming the bare essential, it has definitely shifted our perspective of whether everything needs to happen by traveling. And that's the perspective which I hope to learn, and also, at the same point of time, share with my fellow panelists, to see what is their essential travel? How can we make businesses a lot more comfortable, secured in their mindset to reopen their perspective towards business travel, because I do not believe the world can get the scent operate from virtual patterns, there has to be a hybrid. And in order to enable that hybrid to happen, many of us will have to take that courageous, I have to create that sense of safety and security. So with that, I hope to learn a lot from you, my dear panelists, and let's share a dialogue. And my first conversation there on goes to Benjamin and Peter. Benjamin, I'm going to call you Benji for the rest. Just share with us the perspective of since the lockdown scenario across the globe in your respective regions, what is happening on bare essential travels, what are you viewing as the trends now, and what do you see will change over the course of time?

06:21

Benjamin Concepcion (Benji): Sure, if I may go first. So for Novartis, first and foremost, we stress that for Novartis to help, the well being, the safety of our associates, our patients, and those who travel on behalf of Novartis is really a fact most important to us. So that really comes first. So we continue to be an employee first company through a series of commitments that we have made to our associates with really their safety and well being apart, from committing that there are no COVID related layoffs, to really providing our associates with, you know, extended learning opportunities online, not only for our associates, but also for their families. Again, really taking care, again, their safety and, and health well being really, first and foremost. Our policy within Novartis is that there's no internal travel, or internal meeting travel, that requires international travel. So if somebody needs to, to conduct something of this sort, they will really require a senior executive to approve this. Domestic travel remains to be under the jurisdiction of the country leadership. But again, this is aligned to local government guidelines. And when I spoke to several of my peers, surprisingly enough, surprisingly enough, we have the same policy. And just the last thing I'd like to share based on our high tech group study, or a survey that was conducted, when business executives were asked about what is, you know, kind of long term for business travel, so they were 82% of them responded that many of the organizations will shift away from business travel, as organization really increased focus on remote working, and mobile technologies to put their support, their work, to support remote working, but when asked about when do you think travel will resume, 57% of them said that travel will resume within three to six months. So really quite interesting. And then about 32% of them about beyond six months, 12 months, but I really think that this answer is going to change, depending on again, the situation with the vaccine and the COVID situation in various countries. So I'll just hand it over to Peter to share his thoughts. 

08:57

Peter Brady: Okay, great. Yeah, thanks, Manu. And thank you, Benji, I think first and foremost, it's important to consider the purpose of business travel as an enabler of activity and growth. At the moment, I think organizations need to take time to consider how the definition of essential travel, and Benji referred to this, may align or not with government policies on what is essential policy. In my energy resource and marine or ERM world there are two types of travel. You know, one is the traditional transient business travel, like many organizations have and the second of course, is the rotational crew or support travel, which is piped primarily to upstream work sites like a mine site or an offshore rig or platform, something like that. And given the world's ongoing energy consumption and the continuation of manufacturing and transport logistics, there are many organizations and jurisdictions have deemed that energy resource and marine specialized skill workers as critical to operations and therefore, essential travelers. The second part of the question was really around, you know, trends. And so given that in energy resources and marine, we really haven't stopped traveling, you know, what are some of the trends that we're seeing? I think, in the beginning, like when most organizations were really working to freeze travel, and what we saw was a huge rush. And there were two parts of that rush. The first one was the repatriation of anyone who was deemed non essential to site. So those non essential skilled workers been taken away from site and repatriated home. And then the second rush was really around a semi permanent relocation of workers, and sometimes their families, to where they needed to be before borders closed. And some other trends that we've seen is obviously a huge shift to shot on charter flights, to replace regular paid, or RPT commercial flights. And now we're actually managing anything between 10 to 20 charter flights per day, um, depending on the day, we've managed a big shift away from standard hotel accommodation, to more appropriate semi permanent block space type accommodation. And we've worked to integrate new health screening procedures. And I'll deal with that again, a little bit later in one of the other questions coming up thanks, Manu. Also, I think what's important here, and everyone might appreciate is we've actually migrated away from any online bookings. And for the most part, all bookings now are offline. And there are two key reasons for that. One is so that we can accommodate and manage temporary manual procedures that the organizations may have for all bookings. And the second reason is, so that we can actually find flights and flight connections, given the amount of availability and the changes to availability. The only last point that I would make here and importantly, is that we've also seen a huge increase. And we've played an active a very active part in that in much closer cooperation and collaboration between key stakeholders and key stakeholder groups. And within company organizations, and for example, you're much closer correct collaboration between travel and HR, and health, safety and environment, operations, suppliers, sometimes unions, and in some cases, governments. So you know, that sort of collaboration and close working environment has paid dividends. Back to you Manu.

12:27

Manu: Thank you. Thanks a lot, Benji and Peter. And you highlighted some very interesting points. One that stuck for me and I experienced it very recently is that we shifted on very essential travels, because production shouldn't have to happen into taking the crews onto charter mode. So instead of doing commercial, we booked a charter and from point A to point B, the entire crew traveled together. Or while it is a little bit of an inconvenience for various individuals personal and professional time matches, but people have come together, they have collaborated. This is the time for my shoot, I'm going to go from distance a to distance b, and the charter helps you do that. So taking some of these measures forward, while creativity is coming into picture, but what are both of you seeing as the biggest concerns and questions coming from employees around travel, around the changes that are being made on travel? And Angeline? Carrie, please feel free to add as well.

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Peter: Okay, we'll switch it up, Benji all at one time. Yeah. So there are two parts of that question. You know, what are the biggest concerns and questions for employees? And the second is, you know, what are the changes that have had to occur because of that, I think in the energy resource and marine world, and the biggest concerns and questions have really been around, you know, what are the revised policies and procedures? And what does that actually mean to my rotational roster? And with that, what then are the impacts? What are the impacts that will be there will be on myself and my family? And I think then secondary to those initial questions, is the well, okay. What then also is the organization able to do to ensure our health and well being and well being is a very new theme, you know, that's really coming through here. And when we talk about well being, we're talking about both mental health as well as physical health, which leads to the second part of the question, which is really around what changes, you know, for us, safety has always been paramount to energy resource and marine organizations. But what we've really seen is that uplift in thinking and practice around employee well being. With temporary relocations, and with 14 day isolation periods, there's also been real consideration given to the appropriate accommodation. I mentioned that shift and accommodation before home and really looking for accommodation that allows for mobility, some fresh air, an open space and the allowance of pets, believe it or not, we've actually had pets be be relocated as well. We're also seeing things like gym equipment and barista coffee machines or, or barista coffee services being bought in to, you know, accommodate people because they missed those sorts of things that they would normally have access to, you know, to in life and of course, then and Manu you mentioned charters, I'll go back to charter. Again, there's some real implications there particularly around cost. One of the other elements we had to deal with with regards to the charters is the seating configurations to allow for social distancing. And, of course, those seating configurations principally add to cost. We've also seen health assessments, you know, initial health assessments by organizations, with people boarding those charter flights. And just as a last point, before I quickly hand to Benji, and we've also found that with commercial airports, their procedures, their restrictions, and sometimes closures, we've actually had to work with charter companies to actually find alternate air straps. And in some cases, we've actually, we've actually used Defence Force facilities to enable that. So you know, in addition to that principle change, you know, you've also seen a very significant knock on impact to ground logistics and services that have to support all of that. Ehm Benji?

16:23

Benji: Peter, I mean, I could actually just photocopy everything you said, this is very valid points. I have two points on why I want to share, these are my experiences recently. I think the number one also, concern here is the complexity of the situation out there in terms of country requirements. Most recently, I dealt with an associate of ours who was in a three month assignment in Basel, and she has an Indian passport and she needed to return to India. And the complexity of getting this organized. She, there were flights available in the UK, we can proud turned to UK because she doesn't have the necessary visa. We ended up driving her, getting a driver to drive her from Switzerland to Germany in order for her to catch a flight. And this flight, which is an Air India flight, it's government controlled. CWT can't book it, as again, the complexity when she gets to the destination, she needs to be quarantined, and then she needs to hop on a domestic flight to get I mean, it's really the hardship of of traveling. The complexity of this, another situation we experienced was the situation in Beijing when there was an outbreak, China was already starting to travel for us. This was about a month ago. And suddenly, there was an outbreak in Beijing. And suddenly, we had to like stop all travel to Beijing account for you know, everybody who's in Beijing and trying to get them out of Beijing. So it's almost like the start of the pandemic all over again. So it's, it's really the uncertainty and how fluid the situation is. Definitely a lot of the concerns is in, are we covered by our, our travel insurance. And we get a COVID test, if that's something that the organization is going to reimburse us for. All of these and everything else that that Peter mentioned. But again, I really think that it's really just right now the complexity and the uncertainty of the situation with various countries and in various degrees of kind of severity in terms of the state of COVID in their countries. 

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Peter : And Benji, it's Peter again, that's just a really great validation as to why we've seen all bookings move from an online environment to that offline environment. You know, first of all those things can actually be managed. It's a great point you made, Benji.

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Manu: Thanks a lot and I think all your insights around accommodation patterns shifting to service coming closer to the doorstep of employees. I liked the coffee you know, I would pick it out for for my employees for sure, to travel insurance becoming so so critical.

00:04

Manu Wadhwa: I'm going to shift the gears here and talk to Kerrie and Angeline about what are some of the things that airlines and hotel industry are doing working with each other to provide the baseline for a travelers health and safety? You could share your perspective, both as an employer as well as what is generally happening at large for the traveler. 

00:34

Angeline Khoo: Okay, perhaps I can start first. Okay, um, yeah, for the airlines, just like what has been mentioned earlier on, there's a lot of emphasis on governmental restriction, and also some of the travel advisories. So as you know, there are lots of travel ban in place. So it's not a matter of where the airlines would like to fly to, but so much so about working with the government and on all those green lanes and where it is that we need to support that kind of traffic. And as has been mentioned earlier on the traffic right now is very much on a semi permanent basis, not so much for leisure, and also more for homebound traffic. Right. And the customer's journey has very much changed for the air travel, I mean, for those that are traveling or have travel, you will have

01:20

really get to know about some of the changes. For example, it was mentioned about some of the new administration document that needs to be in place, tests that needs to be done. So these are some of the key information that we have assessed, that our customers or a traveler will need before they travel. So we have packaged some of this information in a central repository, knowing that everybody has turned to online for information right now, I mean, next to having some of the offline support that is not available at this stage. We have pushed everything to digital to website for information sharing, as well as preparing better the traveler for their trip. Because a lot of things have changed, right? You know, nobody likes to touch on anything right now. And the key word right now here is about protection, and reducing contacts, right? So we have to manage the travelers about some of the key things that you have to bring on board, for example, in Singapore it's mandatory for face coverings when you get out of your house. Right, and that includes going on board the plane. So we have customers saying that oh, how, how is it I can't imagine having a face covering for that long trip and that many hours on board the plane. So we're trying to manage that expectation and make sure that they know what to expect when they are going on their travel. And not just that, sanitization, as well as health, hygiene is really important as it's been repeatedly mentioned many times. So, you know, behind the scenes that a lot of aircraft cleaning, a lot of disinfection and even about the air in on the aircraft, the cabin cleaning. So all these are happening behind the scenes, but we need to make sure that our customers are aware of audits that are being put in place to ensure their safety and well being. So we have come up with all kinds of communication because I think the awareness is really important. And also getting them to understand that that the risk is really being mitigated and all measures have been put in place to ensure their safety. So not not just that come to hardcopies. You know, for those regular travelers, you would have identified with your onboard your in flight entertainment touching the screen, touching the magazine, doing your onboard in flight duty free shopping. So all these have been re imagined and cased to a new experience. We are trying to bring on board some of the duty free shopping to before your trip so you can do a pre order. And our crew, we haven't changed our processes to try and push some of these sales, your purchases to be delivered to your seats, or even to your home. I mean, if these are some of the purchases that you would like to do on the duty free

04:05

and climate landscape has changed. When you arrive at the airport, you will see frontliners in masks. I mean it's no longer just in a hospital or in a clinic that you see people in masks, everybody is masked up for the personal protection. And I'm not sure about other parts of Asia Pacific but in Singapore, it's very common to see a protective acrylic screen right now. So on many of our continents with stuff on static position, they can't really move around so that the screens that are segregating, protecting the customers as well as protecting our frontliners, for that kind of safety measures in place.

04:41

Then on top of that, safe distancing, right, I mean, we have seen many surveys and people are concerned when they go on board, the plane, crowded places, like checked in so we are encouraging people to do more check in, check in from home. And thankfully some of these processes are already in progress

05:00

and gain momentum pre COVID day, right. Reducing all this friction about doing any touches on board. And even for boarding pass right now, you know that traditional boarding pass or hardcopy, we have already converted to mobile boarding pass, but even still printed at home for I mean, for those that are still liking the hard copies, but you don't like to get it part from a third party, third party. So this is also made accessible for our customers. Then, for lounge, even the food, you know, our usual buffet spread that has been redesigned, you know, no longer a buffet that is available to our customers. But right now we are changing to an ala carte service. So they can make their orders based on their preferred dishes, and then we can actually deliver to them.

05:48

So coming to onboard, even our cabin crew, you know, the buyers, right now is done with masks, who are wearing masks aboard the plane throughout the flight, because it's mandatory for us to do so, as well as goggles for the extra protection, just to make sure that they are phased out well covered. And again, the food on board is designed.

06:12

You know, for our premium travelers, they are used to the course by course, service delivery of their meals. But that has been changed.

06:23

The whole idea is really reducing and minimizing the contact between our crew and the customers. So for passengers in the premium class yeah they're still getting some of their signature dishes from Asian products, but it's hard to cramp within that tray that we have to redeem them for a premium travel experience. And for our inflight entertainment, for those that are not so thrilled about touching screens, we even have a companion app, you know, you can actually pair your app with your mobile device. So you know, nowadays you can't travel without a mobile phone, right. So everybody has a mobile phone with them. And they can actually pair it with our in flight entertainment, that kind of interaction so that they can minimize all the touches onboard. Everything has gone digital, if you can. And then I guess it's not no longer about the number of interactions, but it's really about the quality of integration. But end of the day, it's really to, to make sure that we have the essential measures in place, redesign the whole journey to lock customers also restoring their travel confidence because it is in the state if we have put in some of the measures. Yeah, maybe over to you Kerrie

07:31

Kerrie: Thanks Angeline. Obviously, I agree with a lot of that, we're probably going through very similar journey, just kind of jumping to the last point first and then go back to what we're doing. But, you know, there's been a lot of talk in the industry across brands, hospitality groups, airlines, a lot of the language of coming into contact with environment contact as processes. And of course, yes, we all accept that that was a trend pre COVID and has been exacerbated during COVID. But there's this line that we're really looking at it. We believe it needs to be low touch. But absolutely, to your point, high emotion. I mean, I'm listening to what Benji and Peter have talked about, some of the experiences, we have to be able to recognize that when they get to, in my case, you know, a hotel, but what did they actually had to go through to get there? How are they feeling? What is their mental well being like? And that's where we're trying to reimagine how do we get closer to it? And be better able to deliver an experience when they're staying without that makes them feel like? Okay, I've got some sanity. So I think, you know, the old safe label, which we've developed in conjunction with Bureau Veritas and a couple of the leading medical authorities. That's the bare minimum. I mean, we're hospitality, we've always had

09:02

lots of standard operating procedures, like the airlines, we've been very high in cleanliness. But of course, these are now highly defined, and there are obviously extra steps. So I'll go through 16 major areas and major focus points, which need to be certified through. So that's the process that we're undertaking now. Because we absolutely know that your customers, your employees, our customers, need that extra level of competence and trust. But that's the expectation and the minimum. And of course, most of you have talked about the the sort of different government regulations. So depending on which country we're operating with, I mean, we have to not only try and deploy safe in a way that it can be the baseline expectation, and then you can work with the local governments. But what if I take the case of Fairmont Hotel here in Singapore

10:00

I've been through what all safe looks like and what if.

10:04

And to your point, I mean, there was a lot of cost for the hotels, which, you know, as you can imagine in a crisis mode when half of our hotels around the world pause and obviously, thankfully, in some cases reopening, it's a difficult conversation with your own, I just say,

10:19

it's paramount it's paramount to bringing the business travel back. So of course, we will do that. And you know, I guess,

10:27

take that, that assurance one step further. We did announce recently and some more communication coming out in a couple of days, a partnership with AXA, and that's really to try to give in house guest access to a complimentary tele medical conversation with a medical expert in that location, if needed.

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So I guess, you know, for for us, this is the bare minimum, it has to be deployed before, I think we're living at people back in the front doors, but the winning hearts of the mind and the customer, would be understanding their story. And that's that personalized experience in house. And the, you talked a little bit about Angeline before, the ability to be able to communicate, what is the level of expectation, depending on which country you're in, it's going to be paramount to see we're not setting ourselves up for failure, and the customer is not even more stressed when they arrive. They have to do different things. Because like you, I also think that digitally is an enabler, and it's going to help streamline processes and procedures, but we're still going to need the human part of the equation.

11:42

Manu: Thank you. Thank you so much, Kerrie and Angelina listening to you, my traveler confidence has risen. I'm based out of Delhi in India. And I work in Mumbai, which is towards the west of India. And my stay is actually at an apartment or studio in a hotel. And since the times the entire lockdown period has been going on, one of the biggest concern personally I've had as a traveler is how do I go back to that hotel because technically, it is hotel, it's not an apartment, it's not my house. And listening in it just brings that confidence back in. 

Benji, Peter just shifting the gear towards you.

12:34

Confidence to be still has to have multiple parts. The travel industry plays a role, hotels, airlines, everybody plays a role. But what can you think of as organizations preparation towards instilling that confidence for our business travelers, and encouraging them to feel safe as business travel opens up in the future?

13:02

Benji: Sure, for us, it's so the first definitely recommendation as far as you need to be very consistent in organizing and disseminating information. So now 10 people communicating information that what we have done at Novartis is we only have one global site for all COVID related information, whether it's business travel meetings, when going to the hospital, there's just one site and that's a single source of truth. So and every time we communicate, we make sure that we coordinate with our global security and emergency management team. So we have one message, and again, consistent to what the organization believes should be the direction. We as a travel team have minimized our campaigns on travel, again, to give way to supporting organizations focus on remote working and again, safety. We also second estate the emphasis on on being responsible so we are asking our travelers to be responsible. So if they need to travel, it's no longer it's I select what every beer.

14:13

Everybody has described, the business travelers experience, it's not like what it was before COVID. So you have to be very responsible. We launched a campaign called five golden rules, advising reminding our travelers these are the things that you need to do from you know, social distancing, facemasks, washing your hands, etc, etc. So, and I think recently, CWT actually provided us with the traveler tips guide. That's been very helpful. We have provided that to our associates. And I think the third one is again, having a consistent policy locally, so there may be local deviations, but there needs to be one consistent policies so that you know travelers are not misunderstanding what the what they need to do and again the last is obviously providing your travelers with all the things that they need when they know they need to go on business travel. Peter?

15:18

Peter: Thanks Manu. Thanks Benji. Yeah, I'm not surprisingly, I'm aligned with Benji, this is about consumer confidence. And in my opinion, I think it all comes down to an easily accessible, clear, concise, complete and and most importantly, up to date information because the information is changing so quickly. So you know, Benji, refered to this. So whilst CWT travel essentials and and the CWT travel checklist will go a long way to help organizations build their content and processes. What we are seeing though, is that no two organizations are the same. And each needs to take the time to engage across their own internal stakeholder groups, um, to develop their short, medium and longer term strategies, you know, for the management of travel. The only thing that I would add to that is under complexity. And Benji, you heard Benji talk about some of that complexity. And, you know, I've got some stealth stories about some of the complex, um, trips that we've had to organize for people that would make your hair color, they just they just a nightmare. So I also think preparing people their travelers, for the unexpected, I think that's going to be a big part of it. So yeah, up to date, information, clear, concise, readily available, use the CWT tools as part of forming your program and plan both short, medium and long term.

16:48

Manu: Thanks a lot, Benji, Peter. I'm going to just, you know, there's the second layer of question which I have to Kerrie and Angeline, you in line with what you stated, are the practices going on, and they're very, very healthy. And, of course, as I stated, I feel very confident to hear about what the airline industry is doing what it tells they're doing.

17:09

I also hear a thread of communication being the need, which is within the corporations. So how are you thinking of bridging and providing more and more of such safety measures, information to corporates so that they know all this is happening? So maybe if you could share some practices there, that would be really helpful. 

Angeline: Right, okay, I think before we communicate, what is essential for us to know is, what are the key information that our customers require? Right, I think Kerrie had mentioned and also mentioned many times that some of the key needs are travel restrictions, travel documents, what are the changes, because situations remains dynamic. I mean, there have been days where we, within a day, we actually sent out three different sets of communication, because policy has changed within the days. Right. So that is not uncommon in this climate. So I must admit that it is a challenge. But the few approaches and strategies that we have taken on board is really to reach out in their preferred channels. Right. And survey has shown us that some of the preferred channels actually shift and change through the different stages of their journey. For example, before their day trip, on the day of travel, they typically prefer communication on the mobile phone, push notification to any mobile app that will be more appreciated rather than an email. Right. But before they leave for that trip, I think typically they will prefer to be communicated via an EDM or an email, which, which is actually a question that I have for Benji, and also Peter, because there has been many talks about communicating some of the changes and things that they need, or even some of the ones right from the employee. But how do you reach out to them in this climate because everybody's working from home and telecommunications. And everybody has their preferred mode of communication. And classic for us, pre COVID is always through the phone, people like to call us

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Or even like to just walk into our touch point. So right now, we have no choice but to turn to digital. But even for digital we realize that there are various channels, and we are trying to approach based on their preferred channel or whatever that makes sense, because so the information needs to be more timely than others. Right? For example, email, we realize that sometimes people do not accept the email until much later. Whereas for a mobile phone, or SMS or WhatsApp messages, it's a lot faster to reach out to them. But the challenge remains for us to really get all these contact details of our customers.

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I mean, if you can identify with me because we don't always have a direct access to the end traveler. We may reach out through only the corporate travel managers, and then you know, there is another layer of distributions which make it extra challenging in terms of timely information dissemination.

20:12

I do not know whether whether Kerrie had anything to add or... 

20:18

Kerrie: I'm sorry, I thought you were asking Benji and Peter a question.

20:23

I don't want to put you back on the spot. I'm, I will say that it it is hard. Of course, there's so many different means of communication.

20:33

Of course, where we have the information, because there are all team members, it makes it a lot easier for us to make sure we're pushing accurate information that's pertinent to that day, or generally, you know, when we do a partnership with AXA or Allstate comes in, but at the moment, we're having conversations with all the GDS partners to make sure as hotels are certified, that information is pushing through. So it's going through to the major GDS is ending turn our major team.

21:01

And, of course, a lot of our strategic corporate customers that we work on in partnership with they were communicating probably simultaneously, there's probably they're double communication, because I'm sure that CWT is building their microbots with information, etc, etc, on on what all the chains are doing. And of course, you know, even if the customer finds its way to an OTA channel in the future, then we're still going to communicate the aerospace because the most important thing is the confidence of knowing a hotel is either OK, you know, has had that label or not right, where they're covered at the baseline criteria, I would think, a travel other than, of course, government restrictions, but I would agree with you that the in the in as we move into the next phase of trying to build that confidence, it will be aligning with our major partnerships on how we communicate timely and accurate information in a very fluid environment until such time as a vaccine, and even then we could have flare ups. We just, you know, as Benji wants to be able to get hold of his customers, and we want to be able to tell them something happens and a lot more.

22:10

Peter: It's paid to, look, I'll answer that question really quickly. I think two key ways that you do that one is through the digital channel, through my CWT, and you really need a digital channel, because you need to be able to consolidate information from multiple sources really quickly and effectively. And to be able to move that on, and to provide that to people through mobile or through desktop in a very efficient way. So you can only use technology to really do that data consolidation and push that and provide that in a meaningful way to people. The second thing I would say is the CWT frontline, our our agents, you know, they're, they're the ones that are actually finding the solutions for people. And they're very aware of what's going on with suppliers, they are seeing all the updates from the suppliers, because those supplier updates, you know, I come in in the current fast as well. So, so combination of two things, you know, your agent offline, that's another reason for the offline at the moment. And the second thing is that digital support, you know, where you got all the border controls, you know, supplier information, refunds, visas and requirements. Yeah, you know, all of that, you know, ISOS, alerts, you know, all of those sorts of things that you need to consider and consolidate in a very quick way.

23:19

Manu: Thanks. Thanks a lot. Peter, Kerrie, Angeline. I think this is one part where and I truly believe the lines are also blurring between commercial and consumer. And a consumer is as much a commercial traveler and they're looking at a lot of social media today for such updates. So maybe an insight could be to actually fast track or progress, the consumer insight on social media. 

We're at the top of the hour and just a couple of minutes left for us. Just in a quick round mode. For all of you, if there was one idea that we could think about when when the new world order that the travel and stay industry could actually do differently to reimagine the operating model. What would that be? So really make it quick, sharp one, what would that look for you?

24:15

Angelina: Well, it will be contactless with me. 

Kerrie: Okay, I say low touch, high emotion.

24:23

Manu: Low touch high emotion. I'm going to take that back.

24:27

Peter, I would say... Benji, go ahead. 

Benji: I think beyond safety and security, I think environment, environmental sustainability is not going away anywhere. So that there needs to be a big focus on that.

24:43

Peter: And for me, I actually think it's about actually looking at that wider ecosystem, understanding all of the variables of that ecosystem and how they relate to an end to end journey and being able to package and streamline those into a very simple and effective single workflow, so that it's effective for the end user.

25:05

Manu: That's very well said, and thank you so much for all of you, we can continue on this conversation for another wrap of the hour, because I'm sure we have stories to tell on our business travel. But I've wrap up my moderation here. It's been great listening to all of you, Coby, back to you. Thank you, Manu. And thank you to Benji, Kerrie, Angeline and Peter for a fantastic session. I think some of my takeaways is that I can no longer use my boarding pass as a bookmark, or for my expensive time for that matter if it's on my mobile phone. And I also think to you know, we have to redefine what truly is essential travel and knowing that hotels are certifying their cleanliness are truly valuable insights and I feel these, these will help our attendees to provide confidence to their traveling population, when the time comes. And with that, thank you again to our panelists, and Manu, our moderator, from our business, to your business and to your employees. Please stay safe and have a great rest of the day. Thank you.